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The Great Pendragon Campaign Part 2


OK, this post is for me to organize myself. I will enact on this in a few hours.

I have some Estate improvements I would like to make with Ullin, but I do not have his info on me. So I will try to get that sorted tonight. He has £3 from this year and I need to total his money from last year and for capturing Octa (£50?), and minus the expenses (I believe he gave Cubeth some money and a nice wedding gift, but I think that is all he spent money on. He is concern with the Saxons and Uther’s lack of interest in engaging them and is looking to put up some defensive fortifications. What would be permissible?

Cubeth and Foxcotte. Since she got married and acquired some land, she is going to be moved over to Book of the Estate. I had discussed this a while back with Will, but forgot to send the confirmation to him. I believe she will have the same number of lands as Ullin so receives £3. She has a little money left from what Ullin gave her before the funeral feast (have the amount at home) and she had no money to start the year. She also has a dowry which I am going to roll after this post which will be added to her funds.

Does she get a stipend for being at Terrabil? What can that be spent on?

After that, I will roll on the horses. Does her war pony take a -1 for the injury from the boar?

And I think, after all of that… I might be caught up?


I found this as I was going back through the last winter. Just thought I would remind everyone since we were talking money…


Shoot, I realised I forgot this!

Cubeth Dowry:
d6: 4


So, I believe this will cover Winter 491…

£2.3.5 - From the treasury (Last years cash on hand…)
+£3 - This year income
+£14 - Saxon Treasure from last year (that was tied up last winter)
+£50 - Prize from Capture of King Octa (I believe the charger was added to the herd last year… If not, this year)
+£1 - From Mellisarium
-£6 - To Cubeth for Funeral Feast
-£6 - Cubeth Wedding Gift (£5 Wolf head clasp +£1 Fur with liner)
Total on hand currently £58.3.5

I believe there is a joust arena finishing this year. I was wanting to do some construction this year

Also, Narwar had £2.4.0 on him when he went mad. Any chance that came back with his belongings?

£0 - From the treasury (Last years cash on hand…)
£2 - Left over from Ullin for Funeral Feast (£2 spent on clothes, £2 spent on hairpin)
£4 - From Dowry (See dice roll above)
-5s -For 5 Boar Spears (Only has 3 now as 2 were given away to Sir Angaz)
-£1 -Wedding help gift to Lady Violette
Total on hand currently £4.15.0 + £4 stipend…

She has a joust list already and I believe the apiary would finish this year, does that need a die roll since it was started with BotM?

Let me know if this looks, OK.


No to Narwar’s money… I’ve spent it for him :smiling_imp: and no to a roll for the apiary, it becomes a mellisarium and completes this year. The rest looks fine to me.

I believe that’s everyone done with their economics, so moving on to the dreaded

Stable Rolls

for those who haven’t already rolled!


Shoot! I forgot to type in the improvements!
I was having a similar idea of a motte and bailey fortification but it sounds like a motte requires permission. So My intent is to build similar to @LucaCherstich and put in the motte and a ditch later.

Ullin <-- Is not a dragon, will spend some money…
Total on hand currently £58.3.5
-£12: Bailey with Complex Gate
-£4: Manor Hall Enclosure (DV4: 4 Glory)
-£7: Cursed Sheep Herd
-£15: Vaccary, Dairy
New Total in the Treasury £27.3.5

Cubeth will not make any improvements this year.

I figured this to be the case, but never hurts to ask what happened to it!

Discuss: SUSD Forum: The Great Pendragon Campaign

Everyone should have the same number of horses from last years rolls. Should I assume Narwar’s horses were returned to Burcombe?

Fury, Charger d20: 9
Rouncy 1 d20: 9
Rouncy 2 d20: 8
Sumpter d20: 9

Narwar Horses returned to Burcombe
Bay, Charger d20: 6
Rouncy d20: 17
Sumpter d20: 6

War Pony d20: 19
Rouncy 1 d20: 10
Rouncy 2 d20: 12
Sumpter d20: 11


I just decided not to roll anymore for all my old horses. They are basic horses and they are part of my anonymous 50 horses of the herd which just auto-replicates.

But I guess I have to roll for my special Cornish Destrier!!
@SleepyWill I do not even know how old is it!

By the way, here is the roll.
d20: 1


The Destrier “Our Soul” is gone!!
That’s why Menadue’s men were so happy to give it to me so easily!
I just feel one of my household knights will ride a rouncy now to give me a charger …


… you have my horse condolences. :cry:


Same here!

Surprisingly this is the first winter I had not lost a horse, but I still am on an average of one horse death per year :confused:


Don’t forget, we established yesterday that your herd is £200 in value, not the £400 it would need to supply your household with a charger, 2 rouncys and a sumpter - it is providing them with a War Pony and a Sumpter each, and if one knight feels slighted - with thirty positions free, I can guarantee you he will leave your household, for example if you take his war pony for yourself!


OK. I’m confused, and surely I did not understood…maybe because I never really put mu head to understand the horse herd rules.

Estate page 92 says that my herd value is £200 (I never thought it valued 400…possibly I miss-written!)
Estate page 32 model for £50 estate says I should have 5 chargers…
…but I have substituted 1 charger with 1 destrier.
So now I have only 4 chargers!

I’ll give these 4 to my household knights while I ride a Rouncy…
…or take a charger from my brother Galerius (which maybe is more forgiving!) while I leave him guarding the estate (and maybe I promise him to do something later on for him in compensation…after all it’s because of me that he became knight 1 year ahead of time!).


Don’t forget all horses taken to Cornwall were killed, so those household knights horses (and indeed the knights themselves) need replacing.


I need time to retrieve Will’s post above…but Leddicus spent almost a day with Angaz retrieving horses, arriving at destination later than the others.


That’s true, but more importantly, Leddicus mounted at the start of the night battle, but his unit did not - hence why he started separated from them. Leddicus did not order his men to also take horses from the Cornish prisoners, and all the horses from the battle were lost. As far as I know, when Leddicus returned from the battle, he and his household had between them 1 destrier, 1 cart horse and 2 chargers. He sold the two chargers, his destrier died and now has to decide what to draw from his herd - which by vanilla can supply up to 4 war ponies (to replace the 4 lost in battle, he cannot draw to replace the horses sold), or by my houserules, he can draw £32 worth of horses without affecting the value of his herds of whichever Uther period horses he desires, and any further value drawn is deducted from the £200 value.

Regarding what horses your herds can provide - the book of knights and ladies says that a £200 herd is 5 half herds and a half herd can only provide a knight with a war pony and a sumpter. Other horse breeds like war ponies, et al are from knights and ladies and just as we have integrated that system into vanilla, so Estate has to integrate into knights and ladies, and this is one of the easiest integrations that there was, because it is directly compatible. In order to provide your knights with the full standard knight stables each, you need a £400 herd, which is where that figure came from.


That’s it!
I read “all your horses” + one was eaten and one was killed.
So I misssed only 2 horses (I do not know which horse kinds are these).

EDIT: You are right WILL!!
The Battle!!! After the Manticore!!!
I forgot that!!!

Now, sorry Will, maybe I misunderstood my situation (I should not have sold those horses maybe, since I did not realize the extent of my herd).
But what is done is done, what is sold is sold, amen.

And I’m frankly lost in the inter-correlation between estate, Book of Knighs & Ladies and Herd rules…

How many war horses (horses which can be ridden by armoured knights) in my herd now?
Tell me a number and I’ll accept it.


We don’t track horses in the herd:

You can choose vanilla, where you can draw up to 4 war ponies


You can choose my houserules, where you can draw £40 worth of horses - and of the war horses, these are:

Rouncy - £1
War Pony - £15
Courser - £10
Charger - £20

If you want more, you can pay for more by devaluing the herd. Any knight in your household not given a War Pony, Charger or Courser (family excepted) will leave your service and fine a vacancy elsewhere - it’s a renters market with so many free spaces.

You sold the horses early because you wanted to spend the money, imagining your destrier was unlikely to die, unfortunately because Dice were rolled I cannot let that be retconned.

EDIT: I got my sums wrong, you can spend £40, not £32 if you want to use my house rules


OK, so I guess not even a single charger survived and I’m without chargers, right?

In this system in how many years will my herd regenerate chargers?

So £32 it’s the maximum that I can spend?

How much of my £200 herd remain? (I mean, part of the herd was at home, off course not the chargers which are the more valuable)

In how many years my herd will regenerate enough chargers?


Estate page 32 says that 25 horses in my herd are “in training”…I mean, I know this year I have no charger.
Will it be possible that in the next few years some of these 25 will be chargers in the vanilla-estate system? (Option 1 : drawing 4 war ponies).